Hey Hellsreach! (D6 Books)

[The Game Guy]

Hey Eric/Hellsreach,

I was curious if you had any D6 books in your warehouse/garage?

What I was thinking is that maybe you have D6 books or other material that people on here would be interested in and maybe we can get some of it sold for you.

Gives you space and gives you cash and it gives us cool game material to read.

[pathfinderap]

Hey Eric/Hellsreach,

I was curious if you had any D6 books in your warehouse/garage?

What I was thinking is that maybe you have D6 books or other material that people on here would be interested in and maybe we can get some of it sold for you.

Gives you space and gives you cash and it gives us cool game material to read.


I was thinking something along those lines as well, lol

Sell through here (but at a discount, just cuz)

This is one of the places the fans hang out, and therefore the buys,

[The Game Guy]

I was thinking something along those lines as well, lol

Sell through here (but at a discount, just cuz)

This is one of the places the fans hang out, and therefore the buys,

I have to imagine he would make some sales. Hell, I would even create a forum for him to do an auction/sale of the items.

Maybe Hellsreach will agree.

[pathfinderap]

I have to imagine he would make some sales. Hell, I would even create a forum for him to do an auction/sale of the items.

Maybe Hellsreach will agree.

That would be a great idea,

and double up as a fan service, nice :)

[hellsreach]

There are legal issues to consider. Impressions, my order fulfillment folks, have an exclusive contract to provide books to the retail chain. That said, I do have the rights to sell directly as needed, or provide materials for demo team members of other agents of direct sale, for resale.

I could discuss the possibility of allowing other organizations (such as this) to both sell product and make a few bucks themselves. I could offer the same thing that I would offer to anyone wishing to represent WEG products through convention sales. That is, anyone may sale product on a consignment basis. You could recieve product for 50% of MSRP. You must make all reasonable attempts to sell the product for or close to cover price, and under no circumstances sell any material below 80% of MSRP. This stipulation is to ensure fair competition for brick and mortar retail.

Additionally, I'd offer reasonable returnability. You could return product within 90 days and recieve a refund, as long as the material was returned in fully saleable condition. The sale agent (you) would be responsible for shipping costs to and from my location (South-East PA) or the warehouse (Ft. Wayne, IN).

Sale of game material is damn close to a job, so one should not enter into such a agreement if they are no fully aware of that and are will to take the responsibility seriously.

[cheshire]

Darn.

:(

[pathfinderap]

I do have the rights to sell directly as needed,

So, what you waiting for?, ;)

[cheshire]

I think what he was getting at was that if he started selling at a rate that drastically undercuts the market retail price, he'll be seen as weaseling around the contract verbiage and cutting out the possibility of the FLGS making their fair share, now that they've bought his product and aren' t able to reduce the price more than 20%.

I.E., legally he could, but he'll just look like a jerk if he did.

Did I get that right, Eric?

[hellsreach]

So, what you waiting for?, ;)

I am one man and don't have anywhere close tot he time needed to run direct sales. Like I said, It's basically a job. If the past has shown anything, it is that I'm terrible at managing direct sales.

As for requiring people getting product from me to keep the product sales above 80%, that is because I a VERY, VERY strong support of fair competition for brick and mortar retail, as I fear their operations are vital to the overall health a welfare of the gaming community. I'm an adamant supporter of eliminating deep-discounters, as their practices have tremendous negative impacts on publishers, brand value, distribution, brick and mortar retail and virtually everyone in the chain besides the one person getting the book at a deal.

[The Game Guy]

There are legal issues to consider. Impressions, my order fulfillment folks, have an exclusive contract to provide books to the retail chain. That said, I do have the rights to sell directly as needed, or provide materials for demo team members of other agents of direct sale, for resale.

Well I was more thinking maybe a post of what you have and maybe a price and maybe if people found an item or two they could pay you via paypal for the item plus shipping. So you would be selling directly and maybe getting WEG material into the fan's hands at a good price.

[hellsreach]

Like I already mentioned, direct sales is a lot of work. A LOT of work. Time I just don't have. Despite what peope might thing, there are plenty of sources out there for WEG material and at better prices than I could offer and I would not discount (for the reasons stated previously).

[The Game Guy]

I think what he was getting at was that if he started selling at a rate that drastically undercuts the market retail price, he'll be seen as weaseling around the contract verbiage and cutting out the possibility of the FLGS making their fair share, now that they've bought his product and aren' t able to reduce the price more than 20%.

I.E., legally he could, but he'll just look like a jerk if he did.

"Cutting out the possibility of the FLGS making their fare share?"

Since when did opening a FLGS mean that you were entitled to make a living? Sorry, the FLGS has to compete just like everyone else and if they can't compete then they go out of business.

When I go into my FLGS's they are mostly concentrating on selling Warhammer 40K and other items that make them more money. I rarely see a rpg being played. I have only seen it happen occasionally at one FLGS and never at the other. It's as if RPGS are an afterthought.

The current 3 tier system is broken and game companies need to really concentrate on selling directly to customers. With the internet there are plenty of ways to get information about your games and buying directly into the pocket of the game company who created the game, not the leeches who end up getting more of the profit then the actual game company who created the game.

[The Game Guy]

Like I already mentioned, direct sales is a lot of work. A LOT of work. Time I just don't have. Despite what peope might thing, there are plenty of sources out there for WEG material and at better prices than I could offer and I would not discount (for the reasons stated previously).

Well then I guess I will hit the online stores where I can get the big discounts then.

It's too bad too because it would have been money in your pocket.

[The Game Guy]

As for requiring people getting product from me to keep the product sales above 80%, that is because I a VERY, VERY strong support of fair competition for brick and mortar retail, as I fear their operations are vital to the overall health a welfare of the gaming community.

I hear this alot but I just don't see how it makes any different whether people buy online or buy from a FLGS


I'm an adamant supporter of eliminating deep-discounters, as their practices have tremendous negative impacts on publishers, brand value, distribution, brick and mortar retail and virtually everyone in the chain besides the one person getting the book at a deal.

I disagree. With this discounters (and where I buy is usually 10 to 20% so not as deep as you are thinking of) I tend to buy more. When I buy full price I buy less.

[Kalzazz]

Ill admit, unless a book is something I really really super really want, Im more inclined not to get until it shows up on the bargain/used rack

Id rather take a flyer on a few to several books I might want than one book I want

[The Game Guy]

Ill admit, unless a book is something I really really super really want, Im more inclined not to get until it shows up on the bargain/used rack

Id rather take a flyer on a few to several books I might want than one book I want

For me with things being as they are I am always looking for a deal on game material

[hellsreach]

"Cutting out the possibility of the FLGS making their fare share?"

Since when did opening a FLGS mean that you were entitled to make a living? Sorry, the FLGS has to compete just like everyone else and if they can't compete then they go out of business.

When I go into my FLGS's they are mostly concentrating on selling Warhammer 40K and other items that make them more money. I rarely see a rpg being played. I have only seen it happen occasionally at one FLGS and never at the other. It's as if RPGS are an afterthought.

The current 3 tier system is broken and game companies need to really concentrate on selling directly to customers. With the internet there are plenty of ways to get information about your games and buying directly into the pocket of the game company who created the game, not the leeches who end up getting more of the profit then the actual game company who created the game.

I've had this arguement a lot. I'm a fair market capitalist to the extreme. I have identified the FLGS provide a service to this industry that online retail does not and cannot. In the process of providing that service they encur costs that online retail does not, so they cannot fairly compete.

That said, this is not sole about the retailer. It is about WEG. Selling things at a deep discount devalues the property. As well, directly selling at a discount is a MAJOR faux pas in this industry. Most publishers generally agree NOT to do so. If retailer became aware that we were doing so, they would likely stop carrying WEG products. We cannot afford for that to happen.

[hellsreach]

I hear this alot but I just don't see how it makes any different whether people buy online or buy from a FLGS



I disagree. With this discounters (and where I buy is usually 10 to 20% so not as deep as you are thinking of) I tend to buy more. When I buy full price I buy less.


You may feel free to disagree. A lot of fans do. I've argued it may times and I grow weary of continuing to do so. Forgive me is this comes off partonizing or elitist, but most people who argue "your" side of this, are on the outside looking in. I really grow tired of the arguement that will never end. We all make choices. You choose where to spend your hard earned money. I choose, like nearly every one of my fellow publishers, to care for a tier of the industry that is ABSOLUTELY VITAL to the futrue health and growth of gaming as a whole. Because you have been unlucky to not find a good FLGS justifies your spending decisions, but I have to look to everyone and many people still get a good deal of hobby support from local stores.

[hellsreach]

I disagree. With this discounters (and where I buy is usually 10 to 20% so not as deep as you are thinking of) I tend to buy more. When I buy full price I buy less.

I've not issue with discounting. I often encourage brick and mortar retailers to provide fair discoutns, especially to "loyal" customers. A 10-20% discount, coupled with good customer service is often all people need to throw money their way. My issue is of DEEP discounters. Those people who buy books and sell for barely over wholesale -- thinking they'll make a profit on volume -- which they rarely do -- or basement "retailers" who make all their money on one or two hot products, buy extra products to make their minimums and sell them off at NO market-up, just so they get get their own products cheap, or specifically to damage their competition. This is not fail market proceedure. They are marketing against accepted economics and one a large, international scale is actually illegal (it's called dumping).

Yeah 10-15, even 20% doesn't really bother me. 30-35- 50- 70% bothers me tremendously. Hell, I've seen, on rare occasions, when a retailer has sold products for the SAME amount it cost me to print the damn things. How is that fair market economics? I don't think the consumer is unjust for buying them. Save money were you can. I personally don't, but mainly because I'm an impulse buyer. I never order what I can buy in person, as I don't like to wait for it.

I DO have a problem with consumers who go to their FLGS to play and commune with other players, using in-store demo material and what not, and they turn around and shop exclusively online, because those consumers are taking value and providing none in return. It's not a fair exchange. The are being moochers. They exist in great numbers.

If you never go to FLGS and use little or none of their services, I cannot ask or expect you to care for, or provide to them. I would ask you to understand my reasoning for do so. I DO benefit from the existence of FLGS and want them to thrive.

[The Game Guy]

I've had this arguement a lot. I'm a fair market capitalist to the extreme. I have identified the FLGS provide a service to this industry that online retail does not and cannot. In the process of providing that service they encur costs that online retail does not, so they cannot fairly compete.

What is this service that they provide that online stores cannot? I do not see it.


That said, this is not sole about the retailer. It is about WEG. Selling things at a deep discount devalues the property.

I really don't understand the logic of this


As well, directly selling at a discount is a MAJOR faux pas in this industry. Most publishers generally agree NOT to do so. If retailer became aware that we were doing so, they would likely stop carrying WEG products. We cannot afford for that to happen.

This is exactly why most game companies are run by gamers and not business people and why many dont do well.

[The Game Guy]

I choose, like nearly every one of my fellow publishers, to care for a tier of the industry that is ABSOLUTELY VITAL to the futrue health and growth of gaming as a whole. Because you have been unlucky to not find a good FLGS justifies your spending decisions, but I have to look to everyone and many people still get a good deal of hobby support from local stores.

The problem is the tier system is broken. When the distributor and the game store make make more money then the game store that is a problem.

In the 80's the 3 tier system worked. But this is 2008, with the internet there are better ways for game stores to get their products to customers and make more of the money.

[Kalzazz]

Honestly, its just that its really hard for me to buy stuff (in my 9th year of college), so, I pretty much buy stuff bulk . . . if I can get it for a couple bucks off the bargain rack, Ill get it . . . if Im going to buy something retail, well, it needs to be something Im beyond convinced I want it

So, I have very few new RPG books, but by gosh, I have a bloody slew of old junk I picked up here and there

Fortunately, D6 Star Wars for quite a while was falling firmly into the 'old junk' category

[Kalzazz]

Hmmm, I wonder if thats a problem afflicting the industry, grad students living off department stipend being to much a part of it?

[hellsreach]

Gaming is a social hobby. Gamers NEED other gamers to play with. Game stores provide an important aveneue for gamers to meet and play. Though social networks provide a similar function, they require games to be committed to the hobby BEFORE they can meet other people to encourage them to BE committed. It a catch 22. Classically speaking, the internet is an exceptionally POOR avenue to attracting and supporting casual gamers. Game stores provide a method to attract andd support more casual games which may eventually become committed gamers. College game clubs actually do a better job than stores, but college game clubs are by design limit to college students.

Although the impact stores have had on increasing the community for casual gamers has lessened in the last dacade, it provides a valuable resource for the community as a whole and one we publishers need to promote to slow it's degradation.

You have one point of view -- it as a single, but committed gamer who does not benefit from game stores. By contrast, for years my LIFE has been gaming and I've talked with more customers, retailers, and fellow publishers than I care to recall so I have a different point of view. I try to help the individual player, but must also consider the community as a whole.

[hellsreach]

The problem is the tier system is broken. When the distributor and the game store make make more money then the game store that is a problem.

In the 80's the 3 tier system worked. But this is 2008, with the internet there are better ways for game stores to get their products to customers and make more of the money.

The 3 tier system is somewhat broken, but it's not lost. Brick and mortar retailers still provide an invaluable service to the community. I don't expect you to see it. You've been quite anti-FLGS for years -- obviously justified by several bad experiences. Still, you don't have an accurate view of all or even most retailers. For you, they don't provide the value of the extra dollar or 2 a product you might pay. To many, many others -- especially more casual gamers, what they provide is MUCH more valuable.

I don't think competative, profit motivated internet retail should go away, but I shouldn't have to justify wanting to promote brick and mortar.

[The Game Guy]

Gaming is a social hobby. Gamers NEED other gamers to play with. Game stores provide an important aveneue for gamers to meet and play. Though social networks provide a similar function, they require games to be committed to the hobby BEFORE they can meet other people to encourage them to BE committed. It a catch 22. Classically speaking, the internet is an exceptionally POOR avenue to attracting and supporting casual gamers. Game stores provide a method to attract andd support more casual games which may eventually become committed gamers. College game clubs actually do a better job than stores, but college game clubs are by design limit to college students.

Although the impact stores have had on increasing the community for casual gamers has lessened in the last dacade, it provides a valuable resource for the community as a whole and one we publishers need to promote to slow it's degradation.

I have to admit in the 20 years I have been gaming I have never, ever met anyone who learned how to game by going to a game store. They have always learned by being brought into an already established group and learning that way. That's what happened with me.

[The Game Guy]

The 3 tier system is somewhat broken, but it's not lost. Brick and mortar retailers still provide an invaluable service to the community. I don't expect you to see it. You've been quite anti-FLGS for years -- obviously justified by several bad experiences. Still, you don't have an accurate view of all or even most retailers. For you, they don't provide the value of the extra dollar or 2 a product you might pay. To many, many others -- especially more casual gamers, what they provide is MUCH more valuable.

Well let me be clear, business was my minor in college so I am not just some gamer mouthing off on a forum. I do know about business.

The three-tier process was great in the 80's when that was all the industry had. Now with the internet game companies can (and many do) sell directly to their customers and do quite well. If you only depend on the 3-tier system then you are running a game company (not you, but in general) like it's the 80's instead of keeping with the times.

As for game stores I have two perfectly good FLGS's, the people are friendly and helpful when I go into the stores. I just don't see a need to pay full price for games.

I guess this breaks down into a difference of viewpoints. I totally respect you and appreciate what you did to try to keep WEG alive.

I guess this is just a subject we will have to agree to disagree with.

[ngarrang]

As for requiring people getting product from me to keep the product sales above 80%, that is because I a VERY, VERY strong support of fair competition for brick and mortar retail, as I fear their operations are vital to the overall health a welfare of the gaming community. I'm an adamant supporter of eliminating deep-discounters, as their practices have tremendous negative impacts on publishers, brand value, distribution, brick and mortar retail and virtually everyone in the chain besides the one person getting the book at a deal.

I cannot begin to tell you, as a consumer, how much I disagree with this philosophy, and how your idea of "fair" competition doesn't match up with consumer expectation. This idea smacks of artificial price inflation and protectionism. This explains so much now.

The old way of doing business is exactly why so many game companies have had problems. Am I alone in observing this? You see, you have all of this physical product just sitting there. And because of a protectionist agreement, you cannot benefit from it.

[The Game Guy]

I cannot begin to tell you, as a consumer, how much I disagree with this philosophy, and how your idea of "fair" competition doesn't match up with consumer expectation. This idea smacks of artificial price inflation and protectionism. This explains so much now.

The old way of doing business is exactly why so many game companies have had problems. Am I alone in observing this? You see, you have all of this physical product just sitting there. And because of a protectionist agreement, you cannot benefit from it.

No I totally agree. Running a business like it's the 80's in 2008 is going to lead to the problems that West End Games has run into.

Someone once said "In business once your through changing your through"

Very true words indeed.

[hellsreach]

No I totally agree. Running a business like it's the 80's in 2008 is going to lead to the problems that West End Games has run into.

Someone once said "In business once your through changing your through"

Very true words indeed.

Nearly every other publisher has they same basic agreement... that is, to sell there material at the MSRP and not undercut it's partners in the business... the retails. It's that simple.

If I don't wish to sell a product for the price I'm suggesting everyone sell it for, then I need to change my suggestions... which I did when I changed the Core books from $29.95 to $19.99. See... I DID lower my prices and gave everyone else (including distrution and retail) a shot at the low price too.

Now, you would ask me to risk losing sales of dozens of books to the traditional chain, so that I can undercut my PARTNERS in business and sell a couple books directly?

It's very simple. I do not and will not COMPETE with retail. I work with them to sell material. If I think a book is overpriced, I'll lower it for everyone. I've done it before. I'll do it again if I need to. As it stands, $20 for a hardover 144 page rulebook, and $13-$17 for supplements competatively priced and actually well below the price of most fellow small publishers. Seeking out retailers who will cut that price an additional 10-15% brings that down even more.

Just to reiterate: I don't not have draconian price controls. All I have said is that:

1) I will not compete with retail and I'll continue to sell product for the MSRP

and 2) If a individual club, or demo person wishes to sell product, they may not do so for a greater than 20% discount.

There are 2 reason's for this. First, a 20% discount is a LARGE discount and is makes the sale highly competative. The point of offering this service to demo people is so that they can make money to offset costs associated with demoing at conventions, NOT so that people can get product as cheaply as humanly possible.

Second, I get these demo people product at 50% of MSRP, which is actually a lower price than retailers can get it for, from distribution. That's right, a demo team member can get a D6 core book for roughly $10, while a retailer must pay about $12. This already puts unfair competative pressure on retail. If I had no rules in place, a demo team member could sell that book for $12 -- the same the retailer pays and still be a tiny bit profitable. They retailer then has no incentive to sell WEG products and will not buy. If retail doesn't buy, the distribution doesn't buy and distribution remains the primary sort of business income for the company.

I'm far from continuting to do business like it was the 80's. Hell, I was 15 in '89. Actually, I'm running business based on TODAY'S market conditions. The only difference is I discourage direct purchase which I probably shouldn't do. This is primarily because I'm not set up to efficiently manage direct sales. I sacrifice direct sale income, because I don't wish to provide poor service to customers. If I had someone to property manage my direct sales for me, I'd do it in a second. Still, I'd charge MSRP like I always have. Actually I haven't always charge MSRP for older Torg products, but those have been OOP for a very long time. Actually they are scare enough now that I could charge MSRP again.

[Jamfke]

I may be mistaken, but if the retailer purchases X amount of product from the distributor with a retail value set at $29.95 at say 60% of cover price, then they've paid $17.97 for each copy up front. If the publisher decides a few years later to drop the retail price to $19.95, then new material would only cost the retailer $11.97 per. So, if they lower their price to the new MSRP, the retailer is losing money already invested. Doesn't look like much, but if you are relying on that extra six bucks per sale to put bread on the table then it really is.

Again, I'm a noob in this biz, so I may be mistaken on my maths and business knowledge. Please correct me if I am.

[hellsreach]

I may be mistaken, but if the retailer purchases X amount of product from the distributor with a retail value set at $29.95 at say 60% of cover price, then they've paid $17.97 for each copy up front. If the publisher decides a few years later to drop the retail price to $19.95, then new material would only cost the retailer $11.97 per. So, if they lower their price to the new MSRP, the retailer is losing money already invested. Doesn't look like much, but if you are relying on that extra six bucks per sale to put bread on the table then it really is.

Again, I'm a noob in this biz, so I may be mistaken on my maths and business knowledge. Please correct me if I am.

You are correct and that is/was a concern. What I ended up doing was shutting down sales for a couple months of D6 core books. After a while, I dropped the price. If a retailer dropped the price as suggested, they still didn't lose money, although they made much less. That being said, if they had the book in stock for several months but ended up selling for $20, they both cleared inventory and still made a buck or two. Most retailer are not business trained, unfortunately and don't realize that a business's most important stat is not margin, but inventory turn. You can have a 1000% margin, but if you NEVEr sell the product, you make nothing.

At the office, we used to joke that our "next" book would have a cover price of $1 million because, you know, you'd only need to sell one copy...

Dropping the price from $30 to 20 was not entered into without great consideration and those numbers picked still ensured that retailers selling the books at the MSRP would not LOSE money, even if they didn't make very much.

[Jamfke]

So, like you said, they ended up keeping the prices high and not making anything for lack of sales. Yup, no wonder the retailers are having a rough go of it.

[hellsreach]

So, like you said, they ended up keeping the prices high and not making anything for lack of sales. Yup, no wonder the retailers are having a rough go of it.

Generally, no. Virtually all retailers I've come across have dropped their prices to $19.99 as it is supposed to be.

[skeloric]

As one who loathes online shopping and would like a local game shop, I wish that there was more solidarity in bolstering local game shops -- especially among the fanbase.
One cited reason for my local game shop closing:
Too many people were only coming in to see what existed so that they could order it online directly.
The owner and the manager of the now defunct local shop know this because the people coming in just could not refrain from mentioning such.
When a person actually piped up that the local gaming club actually organized -- at regular intervals no less -- a direct order from somewhere online all the games that the members wanted.
This it seems was the final straw.
They could have kept going and maybe found another location if it hadn't been for the glaringly obvious problem that they simply weren't -- in their well supported and researched opinion -- offering a needed service in my town.
THANKS SO DAMN MUCH LOCAL GAMING GROUP!

[The Game Guy]

I have just found a bunch of online game stores to buy my game material and I never have to step foot into a FLGS ever again. I have two that are perfectly good but I just don't need them and I can get games at great discounts.

But no, I will not use either of my FLGS's as a place to check out games ahead of time and then buy them online. Doing that I disagree with.

[Kalzazz]

Ive used FLGS mostly for

Buying dice and battlemats etc
Buying used/open minis from the bargain rack
Buying used/bargain bin books
Buying ooh so shiny must have now must must! books, since online takes to much time, or I see something I just must have

[The Game Guy]

Ive used FLGS mostly for

Buying dice and battlemats etc
Buying used/open minis from the bargain rack
Buying used/bargain bin books
Buying ooh so shiny must have now must must! books, since online takes to much time, or I see something I just must have

A lot of the online game stores offer pretty fast delivery. I like online stores not only for the discounts, but also it keeps me from wasting money on impulse buys.

[Whill]

Mike, I do respect your opinion and think I understand where you're coming from, but I respectfully have to disagree. I don't have a moral issue with being able to review a product before deciding to buy it. More often than not, for me that actually makes the deal instead of breaking it. I don't mean sit down and read a few chapters or anything, but I do like to flip through books first.

This past Saturday, I went into one of my local FLGS just because it is the next exit from where I got my oil change. I wan't going for anything particular, but just to look around since I was already in the area. When I walked past the D6 section, I noticed the D6 gamemaster screen didn't have any plastic wrap on it. Despite that, it hadn't been looked through much and it was in near mint condition. (I suspect that the plastic wrap wore down and came lose from normal shelf wear for sitting there for years). I briefly flipped through the booklet and decided to buy it for the $10 price. I would not have bought this online or in the store if I hadn't had a chance to look through it first.

I'm with ya on the online sales. I can get brand new hardback books on Amazon for 34% off and free shipping. But I don't like to buy stuff blind if I can have a look-see first. I have bought all of my WotC Star Wars d20 books that way - going to Borders, flipping through them, then going home to order them online. Borders doesn't need any further incentive to carry WotC books, because they always have them on the shelves anyway.

In fact, West End Games products are the only ones that I do buy in FLGSs anymore. That is my way of showing support and loyalty to the company and the FLGSs who carry WEG stuff. I want to give FLGSs an incentive to continue to carry WEG products since their popularity and sales are so low as it is. And I know that keeping WEG stuff on the shelves means that other people like myself that tend to want to look at stuff first, will have their chance and may by it, and then play it. I am trying in my own small way to keep D6 alive in the FLGSs, which I feel will keep them alive in general.

As a side note, when I went to pay for my GM screen purchase, I asked the FLGS clerk if anyone else was buying the D6 stuff. He said not really. He knew a couple people who like D6, but no one is playing it right now. :(

[The Game Guy]

Well Whill, I respect your point of view but for me, I am going to buy 100% of my game material online. I don't see a point at going to a local FLGS anymore, however that doesn't mean that if others want to go to their local FLGS I wont think any less of them.

[ngarrang]

Eric, I understand your position. But, not to put too fine a point on it...the FLGS ain't sellin' your stuff. Also, in case you haven't noticed, there are a lot fewer FLGS brick'n'morter places around to not sell your stuff at.

Just my opinion, but the FLGS is a failing business model, one that is being overtaken by the internet. Time to try and get your stuff on the shelves of Barnes & Noble? Wal-Mart?

[skeloric]

Eric, I understand your position. But, not to put too fine a point on it...the FLGS ain't sellin' your stuff. Also, in case you haven't noticed, there are a lot fewer FLGS brick'n'morter places around to not sell your stuff at.
Just my opinion, but the FLGS is a failing business model, one that is being overtaken by the internet.
I have to agree.
Trying to prop up the game store is a losing proposition.
One that was much more suited to the pre-internet 1980s than to the 21st century.
I WISH it weren't so, but wishing won't change it.


Time to try and get your stuff on the shelves of Barnes & Noble? Wal-Mart?
This is where the future of game sales exists.
Barney Ignoramus and Wall-Eyed Marty are the stores of choice for 90% of the purchasing public for ANYTHING.
Making a place for RPGs on those shelves is the way to reach the increasingly ignorant buying public.

[The Game Guy]

Eric, I understand your position. But, not to put too fine a point on it...the FLGS ain't sellin' your stuff. Also, in case you haven't noticed, there are a lot fewer FLGS brick'n'morter places around to not sell your stuff at.

Just my opinion, but the FLGS is a failing business model, one that is being overtaken by the internet. Time to try and get your stuff on the shelves of Barnes & Noble? Wal-Mart?

While I am not going to make a comment about FLGS's (I have made my opinion clear on that subject) I would agree that Eric really needs to look at new ways to get rid of some of his stock and make some money.

I can tell you people on rpg.net are getting upset because they haven't been refunded the pre-order money for Septimus. He needs to get some money and quick if he wants to try to get some goodwill from the people who paid for pre-orders.

[Kythian]

If retailer became aware that we were doing so, they would likely stop carrying WEG products. We cannot afford for that to happen.

I can personally guarantee that my local game stores do not carry WEG products. I know, because I bought the last of their stock in 2007 as "clearance items". They've washed their hands of it.

So... it's already happened in certain places.

[The Game Guy]

Well knowing a little more about his plan and what he is planning to do to turn things around, I kind of understand more his point of view.

I was like you until I talked to him in person and saw things more clearly (and saw the WEG stock he has- what he has, not whats in the system) with my own eyes.

I think his new plan is a step in the right direction.

[Kythian]

I certainly don't disagree with any direction Eric wishes to go. I was just adding fuel to the discussion.

Personally, whatever Eric does, if it gets WEG back up on its feet, I'm all for it!

[The Game Guy]

I certainly don't disagree with any direction Eric wishes to go. I was just adding fuel to the discussion.

Personally, whatever Eric does, if it gets WEG back up on its feet, I'm all for it!

I totally agree. That's all I really want as well (and I know Eric does too).